The secret powers of vitamin C

vitamin c for cats and dogs

Last year, when my dog Roxie was diagnosed with cancer, I immediately came home and spent hours and hours researching things that would help get her better.  A lot of the supplements I read about that were recommended, I’d never heard of. There was one that caught my attention though, because of how it is administered in dire cases and what ailments it can help with in both cats and dogs.  It was vitamin C.  I never realized how many things vitamin C was good for treating in cats and dogs until I researched further.

How I stumbled across vitamin C

As soon as my dog Roxie got her cancer diagnosis and seeing how quickly her health was deteriorating, I knew if there was any chance of saving her, I had to find what would work the best and the quickest.  Unfortunately, what I read about treating cancer successfully with vitamin C, involved it being injected intravenously in very high doses.

Because that wasn’t an option for me, I tried to find the next best thing.  Somewhere I’d read about liposomal vitamin C that was supposed to be better absorbed by the body than conventional vitamin C.  I set about trying to find the best brand of it I could find.

vitamin c for cats and dogs
Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C

Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C

During my research, I ran across this Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C here, http://amzn.to/2y4p0j3, where the first review was from someone who had a senior poodle with pneumonia that had basically been brought home to die because it was so sick.  With around the clock dosing, the dog had been brought back to life.  It was the encouragement I really needed at that moment to show me that miracles were possible.

After reading through some more information and the reviews, I decided to order it for overnight delivery and get Roxie started on it right away.  Along with several other supplements I’d ordered for her, I hoped I’d somehow found the magic concoction of things that would save her.

In the past, prior to treating Roxie’s cancer, I’ve taken vitamin C in capsule form along with Echinacea to stave off or treat colds.  I’ve also given it periodically to one of my dogs as an ingredient in Dr. Pitcairn’s “Healthy Powder” recipe.

Also, on at least one occasion, I used it as sort of an antibiotic, like when I gave it to one of my new dogs after he got into a skirmish with another male dog I have.  Their tussle resulted in a puncture wound on the new dog’s chest. He was reunited with his owner before I got to see how he healed up after being given the vitamin C, but his wound wasn’t that bad before he left, so I’m not sure I would have been able to tell if it was actually helping.

Up to that point, healing things like infections in animals or treating a cold I was getting or got, was really only what I associated using vitamin C for.

Using vitamin C  as part of a vaccine counter protocol 

In his book, ‘The Nature of Animal Healing’, Dr. Goldstein, a holistic vet whose book I reference often, recommends a vitamin cocktail, including vitamin C, be given to cats and dogs two to three weeks prior to and after vaccinations.  Dr. Goldstein recommends this to help boost the immune system to counter the barrage of multiple diseases forced on it at once.

I’m not going to go into the details, including the amounts he recommends, as I just wanted to point out the use of vitamin C as part of a vaccine counter protocol.  I have read a lot about how to counter the effects of vaccines, with things like Thuja, but this was the first I’d ever heard of using vitamin C.

Vitamin C for numerous cat and dog ailments

Dr. Goldstein also discusses how vitamin C can help deter hip dysplasia and other joint inflammation by enabling the immune system to properly mobilize calcium, which helps keep bones and joints from deteriorating.  He also shares his protocol for cats diagnosed with leukemia and other cancers, as well as feline lower urinary tract disease (FLUTD), based on Dr. Wendell O. Belfield’s work.  Dr. Belfield is a well-respected holistic vet known for treating pets with virtually every form of serious illness using massive doses of vitamin C intravenously.

In addition to helping deter hip dysplasia and joint inflammation, and fighting cancer in cats, vitamin C is also recommended and has been used for, protection against heart disease and respiratory issues.  As the body is subjected to more and more stress, the more it needs help with vitamin C supplementation to restore the balance.

Stress can be emotional or physical, like relocation or getting vaccinated.  Due to the stress, the vitamin C a dog normally produces on its own decreases.  In younger dogs, common stressors include surgery, rapid growth, and vaccinations.  With older dogs, it is more a need for antioxidants.

Dosing information

Several resources I looked at offered differing dosage amounts, based on different factors or guidelines.  Having to take into account the severity of the disease, amount of stress and if that stress amount changes, as well as the size of the animal, you can see how it’s hard to be a one-size-fits-all dosing schedule.

With so many variables, I don’t feel comfortable just giving random dosage amounts out to be followed.  They are available,  but with most things pet related, one size does not always fit all.  This is not an area I am well versed enough in to be that comfortable, either, to offer my own experience.

With Roxie, I was just trying to get enough high doses of vitamin C into her to fight the cancer.  One site did say that a healthy dog produces 18mg of vitamin C per day, per pound of body weight, so you could roughly calculate your dog’s vitamin C maintenance dose requirements using that formula.  I read that many holistic veterinarians take that number and multiply it by 3-4x for a maintenance dose.

Monitoring vitamin C

In my research, I also found that for therapeutic dosing in dogs, it was recommended to start with a conservative dose spread out over several feedings.  Every couple of days, increase the amount by 100 to 500 mg, to the point that diarrhea starts.

I recommend writing the dosage amount and time given, along with your increasing amounts on a calendar, so you can track the dates, times, and amounts easily.  Check off if that day and the dosage amount given produced a solid bowel movement day.

Once your dog gets diarrhea, that means it has taken too much vitamin C and you’ll want to back off to the previous days’ amount, before the diarrhea started.  That should be the amount of vitamin C that particular dog can handle.  Just to be safe, I recommend continuing to monitor their bowel movements in case more reductions need to be made.

From what I’ve read in Dr. Goldstein’s book, as well as online, it appears vitamin C is pretty commonly used by holistic vets.  As always, if you have access to a holistic vet, please try to go that route to get the most accurate diagnosis and treatment information.

Whatever way you arrive at administering vitamin C, just remember that it’s important to keep an eye on the stool consistency.   An already stressed dog doesn’t need unchecked diarrhea to deal with on top of whatever issue you are trying to cure.  As a matter of fact, you should always monitor your pets’ bathroom habits, and definitely when it’s on any form of medication or supplement.

My personal use of vitamin C

My current personal vitamin C regimen now includes taking the Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C, http://amzn.to/2y4p0j3 at the first sign of feeling like I might be coming down with something.  I decided to first try it after having some left from treating Roxie.  The couple of times since last December that I’ve felt a little “off”, I’ve taken it.  The first time I took it, I also included Echinacea, but the 2nd time, I took it without anything else.

Both times, within a few hours, I felt fine again.  Having been impressed with just those two times taking it, and not having the option of a sick day, I’m going to be a permanent user.  Despite the price, only having to take a dose or two to avoid being sick is worth it.  It also comes in 30 little individual packets, so you can send some with the kids to school, keep some in your purse or your desk at work, in case you start feeling bad while away from home.

The directions say to pour the gel-like orange goo into a small amount of water and drink it.  I find it’s just easier to open the packet, squirt the contents into my mouth, then take a drink of something to wash it down.  Otherwise, you have to drink a small glass of water containing a goo glob that doesn’t disintegrate.

Vitamin C for peace of mind

Having the Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C on hand is also peace of mind knowing that in case of emergency, I have it on hand for one of the animals.  My Solaray Vitamin C caplets are nearly out and I’ve been researching affordable brands to start on my two seniors who are both around ten years old.  I like this powder form, http://amzn.to/2xGThne  since Abby, my lab, isn’t a fan of pills, but has no problem eating the powder inside them sprinkled over her food.

If you are interested in purchasing Dr. Goldstein’s book, which overwhelmingly had more information than all of my other pet reference books combined on this subject, here is the link: The Nature of Animal Healing: The Path to Your Pet’s Health, Happiness, and Longevity.  I also did a review of all of the holistic vet books I own recently, all of which at least touched on this vitamin C topic, here, http://savingcatsdogsandcash.com/pet-care-reference-books-reviewed/ if you are wanting to start or add to your own holistic pet care book collection.

 

If you have any experience with vitamin C, I’d love to hear it in the comments below.

 


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51 thoughts on “The secret powers of vitamin C

  1. My dog Rocky was diagnosed with fibrosarcoma back in May 2016 and given 3 months to live.
    He is alive and well

    I gave him powdered vit C and Alpha Lipoic acid.
    He also eats a Ketogenic diet.

    1. Kathryn, that’s amazing! I love hearing stories like yours. Congratulations on going outside the conventional medicine box and saving Rocky. I hope you guys have many more happy, healthy years together!

  2. I, too, am a fan of this product. We first used it when my brother was diagnosed with cancer. It gave him much needed energy and prolonged his life.

    I am a foster/rescue person as well. I presently foster seven cats and two dogs. One of my dogs has been diagnosed with heart disease as well as an enlarged liver and spleen. He almost died about a week ago and has been at the vet hospital since, stabilizing his condition. They offer little hope except to make him comfortable.

    I remembered using this product for my brother and had wondered if it could be given to animals as well. Because Vitamin C helps oxygenate the blood, I thought it, along with B12 would be helpful for my little friend. Thanks to your article, I feel comfortable in giving him this supplement, and because of what you wrote, I also now have a guideline to follow.

    This was very helpful. Prayers and good energy for your continued work with our four legged friends.

    1. Zande,

      Thank you visiting my site and for your foster/rescue work as well! I’m sorry to hear about your dog’s health problems. I’m glad you found this information helpful and I hope it helps your dog.

    1. Darcy,

      Depending on how picky your cat or dog is, there are a few tricks that I shared in my post ‘Tricks for giving medicine to cats and dogs’, http://savingcatsdogsandcash.com/tricks-for-giving-medicine-to-cats-and-dogs/. Those tips also apply to supplements. The secret is to disguise the taste either in food (stirred in) or hidden in a piece of food. I’ve cut a slit in a piece of pork before for my dog who tends to avoid pills and stuffed the pill inside then hand fed it to her. For my cats, I add a little bone meal to the green mix powder to make sure they eat it all. You might be able to do that for the vitamin C if you are giving it as a powder. It kind of takes some experimentation as some animals are super picky and some are not, so it’s not a one size fits all solution, unfortunately, but I think between my other post and what I’ve shared here, you hopefully have something that will work for you and your pet(s).

  3. Hello,
    I am so happy to find this site. I read Wendell Belfield, DVM book, “How to have a healthier dog & cat” in 1996 and it changed my life. (I am also a big fan of Linus Pauling, MD the father of vitamin C discovery). He just passed away recently but sounds like you are on his track. If you can get a hold of the book it has much useful information regarding Vitamin C, how stress affects the depletion of it, and how animals can benefit from it. I use sodium ascorbate in all my cats food as a supplement. I am going to look into ordering your product. I have a cat right now who was attacked by a coyote and his wound will not heal. He is FIV positive and that is not helping. I wish I could find a veternarian who would use intravenous vitamin C, but have not yet.
    I live in Southern NJ.
    Thank you. Bernie

    1. Hi Bernie,

      Thank you for taking the time to comment and share your knowledge and enthusiasm about vitamin C. I recently ran across information that says taking MSM with vitamin C helps it work better. I have more research to do, but here’s an article that might be helpful to you and/or others. https://www.cancertutor.com/msm-article/

      I responded to your comment about your cat’s wound not healing via e-mail with the recommendation to try colloidal silver along with the article I wrote about it. I’ve written a couple of articles about it now and will have more coming up, but suffice it to say that I wouldn’t be without it.

      Not sure if you’ve tried to find a holistic vet or not to help you with the intravenous vitamin C, but here’s a link that might help you find one, https://www.ahvma.org/find-a-holistic-veterinarian/.

  4. Hello!
    My name is Birgit. I´ve tried lipsomalt c-vitamin for myself. My dentist going to take away amalgam from my teeths and I was recommended to take liposomalt c-vitamin. After taking two I noticed that the pain I felt in my jaws disappered. I have also cats. I know about Belfield and his work. I have tried in powderform, but it hasnt helped. But I started to search on google and found the c-vitamin You used. So I´ve ordered it and wait for it. I have one cat who has mammarytumour and one with catflu so I´m going to try it on them.

    1. Hi Birgit,
      I’m glad you found relief with vitamin c and I’m sorry to hear about your cats. In addition to the liposomal vitamin C, I strongly encourage you to add colloidal silver to your cats’ medical treatment plan. I have no experience with either of your cats’ health problems, but there are a lot of helpful groups on Facebook with people who have and are dealing with them that I’m sure would be helpful. Just a quick search I found mentioned using CBD oil (on tumor and internally), ldn (low dose naltrexone), and switching to organic raw food. Here are some groups that were mentioned that you might find helpful: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1939327816353456/, https://www.facebook.com/groups/cbdoilforpets/, https://www.facebook.com/groups/LOVEOURPETSLDN/, https://www.facebook.com/groups/felinecancersupport/, https://www.facebook.com/groups/CS4Pets/, and here’s a website someone suggested that you might find helpful: http://www.myholisticpetvet.com/2010/10/04/cancer-treatment-for-pets-a-holistic-approach/?fbclid=IwAR1DrSkmrQswD2hFt03ETSqaTGCeHMVu08hxDEOTD-2rsLBJd72bPegLV9w.

      From my own experience and reading lots of posts from others, fighting cancer usually requires more than one product/thing, though all pets, like people, respond differently. I do think these groups and website will give you a good place to start to do your own research as to what is available in your area and has proven to be most helpful with the treatment of both of your cats. Best of luck to all of you!

  5. Hi, I just wanted to say one of my three dogs started coughing, after two days another dog started. I opened a packet of lypo c dipped my finger in it and rubbed it in the dogs gum and tongue. Two doses and cough had stopped on the first dog, one dose on second dog.
    I’m looking at this site today to gauge the amount of lypo for a cat with a ear infection that just will not disappear completely. (Am using collidial silver and homeopathic remedies) Will post success if I can find may way back!

    1. Thanks for sharing your success with vitamin C, Vicky. I’ve used colloidal silver on ear infections in my cats a couple of times now and it’s worked really well. Not sure what brand of colloidal silver you are using, but some are better than others. I’ve had excellent luck with Sovereign Silver (there’s a link for it on my Amazon page under the ‘Shop’ tab at the top of the page). Please do try to come back and share any information you have on how you successfully used liposomal vitamin C on your cats.

  6. I have been using colloidal silver for many year, and I swear by it! I’m glad you’re a proponent of it as well. The one I use probably isn’t a very good one, because I make it myself with distilled water and immersed silver rods, battery, “jumper cables”, etc. I’m sure the particle size is larger than it should be, but I have still had much success when administering it to myself and my hoard of cats, for almost any sickness or issue. I will now search for the Vitamin C that you recommend, as my whole gang seems to have contracted and spread feline herpes throughout. Would you think the Vit-C might help with the discharge and respiratory issues connected with that?

    1. Renate,

      I am absolutely a proponent of colloidal silver and I too, make my own. Yes, adding vitamin C should help your cats. In his book, Dr. Goldstein (which I referenced to help us here) says that a fast of chicken or bone broth will speed the virus. He didn’t say for how long, but recommended adding vitamin A (2,500 IU) and vitamin C (250 mg. 3x a day) as well as garlic, goldenseal, and propolis. He also listed some other products, but I think just ample amounts of colloidal silver and vitamin C should help. While I do fast my dogs, something about doing it to my cats bothers me.

      Years ago, before I knew about CS, one of my cats got an upper respiratory infection. I treated him with L-lysine and apple cider vinegar (ACV) and he cleared up in a few days. While Dr. Goldstein didn’t mention L-lysine, I really like to keep it on hand for when I notice someone sneezing more than a time or two. I also keep ACV on hand for numerous things, but I believe it may help you in this case as well. Dilute it 50/50 with water (CS is fine) and generously rub it on your cats. I like to do the paws and sides, where they can easily reach it to lick it off, thus ingesting it. Do that twice a day.

      I have also read that vitamin C is boosted by the use of MSM, so you may want to keep that in mind as well. Dr.’s Choice is a good brand and I like the ones with nothing but MSM in them. If they get a bit clumpy, all you have to do is shake the jar. The finer grit has added ingredients to prevent clumping and I avoid those.

      Hopefully, some of this information will you and your cats get back to good health soon.

      1. Thank you for all that great advice. We do use Lysene and apple cider vinegar, but there were a few others in your recommendation that I wasn’t doing. We have LOTS of cats (we’re on a farm, and strays just FIND us! They can apparently sniff out cat people from a great distance!). I don’t know if I can get stuff rubbed on all their paws. Could I add a little bit of ACV to their food? Does that throw off the taste too much? With the addition of any supplement, we kinda have to guess at the amount, and if anything, we are probably undercutting the recommended dosage, as we just add it to the large bowl of “soup” we serve at feeding time. It consists of soaked hard food, some smashed pate mixed in, a bit of pumpkin puree and a few peas, Missing Link, and the dissolved lysene, and then quite a bit of warm water to give them plenty of moisture. Do you think I can add the C and any other supplements to the same bowl, and just hope they get a reasonable dose of everything? It doesn’t seem possible feed everyone separately. The “soup” gets poured out onto about 8 large platters, and everyone comes and starts lapping away.

        1. Renate,

          Haha, I hear you about the animals “finding” you. I seem to have that attraction too. 🙂

          I’m not sure about adding the ACV to the food, or even water, as it’s awful stuff. You could try a little bit (capful?) and mix it in really well and see how they get along. If they are strays, my experience, with my own rescues anyway, is that they really aren’t that picky. If you have some sardines, tuna, or canned salmon (all in water), you could add that to the food, which could help mask the ACV taste and smell. Maybe slowly increasing the amount you add will help you if you have to start out in very small amounts.

          Another option is to put the ACV on their back between their shoulder blades, where it will be absorbed. I’ve personally never used that method, but I’ve read that it does work. Not sure that it would be much easier, as cats smell the ACV and tend to get leary around it, but there’s another possible method of getting it in them.

          As far as giving them amounts, I have seven cats that all eat randomly throughout the day. I just put my powders (L-lysine, liver powder, MSM, etc., etc.) in an old spice jar and shake it on their raw food as I prepare it and then stir it in before I put it into their bowls. Like you, there is no way I can make sure everyone gets the recommended dosage, so I spread it throughout. That has worked for me and I think it’s probably about the only way you can do it with so many cats. I’d check each vitamin individually, just to make sure you can’t harm a cat with them, but most things will go out the body through their waste if the body doesn’t need it. Not sure which ones, if any, are actually dangerous, but you might want to double-check that first before upping the doses too much.

  7. My female cat was diagnosed with struvite stones….the vet assured me the only treatment was surgery to remove the stones at a cost of $1000 +………
    I researched and found vitamin C as Ascorbic acid would correct the problem ……I gave the cat 1000 mg daily broken up into 4 doses with each meal…..for one month. I powdered the tablets up and mixed it with a bit of olive oil……Ascorbic acid Is extremely sour and water soluble ..thought was to surround it in oil until it got into the stomach. The cats symptoms frequent painful pee ..subsided and went away……..a visit to another vet several months later …struvite stones gone……since then I used it several times for various reasons…..it works.

    1. Franz,

      That is awesome! I’m so glad to hear you found a more natural and less invasive way to eliminate your cat’s struvite stones. Thanks so much for taking the time to share your story!

  8. Hi Cee Cee, I hope you and your family are well and all your furr babies are doing good. The photos you have been posting on FB are awesome!! Let me know when you put that book together, I will be first in line. I wanted to mention that sodium ascorbate is a milder form of Vitamin C. I used it in powder form and sprinkle it on my cats wet food.
    Also, you know this from Dr. Belfield’s book, “How to Have a Healthier Cat” and “The Healthy Dog” Vitamin C in large doses is a good pain reducer, it also is very important with supplementing with large breed dogs.
    Stress depletes vitamin C and when puppies are growing at faster rate of speed that their body can keep up with somethings gotta give. Vitamin C is what the body uses to make strong tendons that hold hips together. Hip dyspepsia is not hereditary but a result of large breed dogs growing so fast they cannot produce enough vitamin C to keep their hips strong because the C is depleted with weaning, surgery, vaccinations, new home, their poor hips don’t stand a chance. Supplementing with Sodium Ascorbate will eradicate the hip dysplasia

    1. Bernadette,

      Thank you for your kind words about the pictures. I’m glad you are enjoying them!

      Thank you for sharing the book names of Dr. Belfield. I actually don’t own any of his books, but I may need to look into them! I’ve been adding to my book collection recently with other healing modules such as chinese medicine and homeopathy.

      I appreciate your detailed explanation about how vitamin C helps hip dysplasia too. Thanks for stopping by and sharing such valuable information! I hope you and your fur family are doing well, also!

  9. So happy to have found this site! I recently adopted a young (4yr) old siamese-tabby mix in October, who showed up in my neighborhood in July. He was shy at first, but we made friends in about 3 weeks. He hung around with the 3 ferals I regularly feed, though the dominant male periodically picked on him. He has been congested to this day, though always super sweet. Long story short–I had him vetted & took him in. He was chipped & neutered. The facility that neutered him doesn’t return my calls (another long story). He was put on 3 courses of antibiotics, which only eased his symptoms–mostly snotty nose, sneezing fits, and seemingly unable to pass a congestion block in his throat. He is currently on Lysine, which like the antibiotic, only eases the symptoms. Sadly, my 13-year old cat, now is displaying symptoms too, though not as severe–forcefully blowing snot out of his nose & sleeping a lot. I read Lysine should NOT be used long-term, but both cats are currently on it. I also read prescription antiviral meds help ( vet never indicated any particular illness/condition, but I am thinking it is feline herpes). I want to get this at least under control, without chemicals if I can avoid it. I thought of vitamin c since I am a lifelong advocate myself–I was raised on “piles” of supplements by my RN mom. I am a senior on disability, living in a mobile home park, where we unfortunately see too many dumped cats after Grandma/pa passes. I think my new cat, Sunny, came from one of 2 mobile homes that were raided by our local animal control for having 30 cats each inside this past spring–who knows what Sunny was exposed to. I KNOW the shelter where Sunny was adopted from & let’s just say it leaves a LOT to be desired, so I “think” he has had this issue for a long time. I have 5 other cats in addition to Sunny, & only one has been affected with this snottiness. Ironically, my 10-year old tabby was also rescued here as a feral kitten & had feline herpes–after one antibiotic shot, he has been perfectly FINE other than occasional watery eyes. I’ve spent $500, which I cannot afford on Sunny already, & seemingly cannot get ahead of this condition. Can you please provide me some specific ways to treat both affected cats, including brand names of supplements you prefer? I would be forever grateful!!-Jean

  10. btw–the cats that were taken in by animal control during our springtime “raid” were put up for adoption if tame enough, or TNR’d & released back in the neighborhood. I really feel Sunny was rejected for adoption due to his condition. I won’t give up on him! He is the sweetest thing ever! The only time I’ve seen him hiss, is at the feral male that picked on him & my vacuum cleaner, since being inside! LOL! He has never once acted aggressively towards any of my 5 cats.

    1. Jean,

      Welcome to my blog! I’m glad you found me too, and think I have some product suggestions that will help you get Sunny and your other cat back to good health. First of all, thank you for taking in this sweet baby and feeding the other ferals in your area.

      So it sounds like Sunny has had quite the ordeal in the last few months at least. That’s a lot of stress he’s been under, which ultimately affects their immune system. That, and a bad diet, which is probably all he’s had. So here are my suggestions for you.

      First, you need to get Sunny’s (and your other cat’s) immune system up. One of the easiest ways to do that is to feed a quality food (not dry, or food with grains, as cats are meat eaters). Next, to help build up the immune system, you can either use colloidal silver, colostrum, or lactoferrin. I wrote an article about colloidal silver and how it is anti-fungal, anti-viral, and anti-bacterial here, http://savingcatsdogsandcash.com/colloidal-silver/. It helps boost the immune system and works on a number of things you’d normally use antibiotics for, except that it doesn’t damage the gut flora like antibiotics do. Adding the colloidal silver to your cats’ food and water would probably help them. You can put a teaspoon in each cats’ food 3-4x a day until symptoms get better, then scale back to twice a day until they are gone completely. Once you no longer have any symptoms, continue the twice a day regimen for a few more days just to be sure you knocked it out completely.

      You cannot give too much CS, but you can give too little and it will be ineffective, so don’t worry about giving too much. I like Sovereign Silver brand, but it is kind of pricey. I’ve been told that some Walmarts carry a 16 oz. bottle for around $20 in the vitamin section. It’s called Silver Biotics and is supposed to work very well also, though I can’t personally vouch for that. In addition to adding CS to food and water, if you have a nebulizer, you can nebulize it to get it into Sunny’s lungs.

      Another option is bovine colostrum or lactoferrin. 250mg per cat twice a day should help boost their immune system. Dr. Stephen Blake from thepetwhisperer.com recommends Imutek brand colostrum. Jarrow is a recommended brand among cat owners for the bovine lactoferrin. If you do a search online, you’ll see Lactoferrin has really helped a lot of cats with URI’s and also stomatitis symptoms.

      This last recommendation comes from my own personal experience I had years ago with one of my first cats and before I knew about colloidal silver or the other immune boosters. I was able to clear him up in a few days with L-lysine and apple cider vinegar (ACV) with the mother. I put the L-lysine in his food twice a day and rubbed the ACV mixed 50/50 with water on his front paws and sides so he’d lick it off. I put a generous amount on him 2-3x a day, as I’d read on earthclinic.com. It worked and he quit sneezing and having nasal discharge completely in a few days.

      When I was reading up on lactoferrin, it seems that those who have cats with the feline herpes virus (FVR) do well on a maintenance dose of the lactoferrin or colostrum. Some even reported their cats did better on just that, rather than the combo of the L-lysine and colostrum or lactoferrin together. You will just have to monitor your cats and see how they do, but I wanted to mention that to you.

      All of these items can be purchased online on Amazon or in a health store. If you go to the top of the page and under the ‘Shop’ tab, it will take you to my Amazon storefront with the colloidal silver and lactoferrin product links. I make a very small percentage on any purchase you make through my links at no additional cost to you, which helps me keep my blog up. 🙂 If you have any other questions, don’t hesitate to ask.

  11. Thank you so much for your info! I will definitely give it a try! I still have Sunny on Lysine, but took Moses, my 13-yo cat off of it & am giving him GNC’s High Calorie Booster instead. It has arginine in it, but also added vitamins (no vit c), provides energy & boosts immunity. I read that lysine use on cats has been under scrutiny in recent years as there apparently is no scientific proof that it stops the virus from replicating. They believe it “may” help the symptoms by reducing arginine levels. It is highly undesirable since cats cannot synthesize arginine on their own & deficiency can lead to a fatal condition. Obviously, this scared the heck out of me! (thoughts?) Moses, besides being older, is thinner than Sunny. plus I heard one of their kitten shots can help lessen the severity of feline herpes since so many cats are exposed to it. So I am hopeful that he can kick this without the need of a vet as he has had all the necessary shots. I am wondering if Sunny got this virus before he was old enough for the shots(?). I am keeping lysine on hand for flare ups, but REALLY want to get this virus under control! Sunny has been on the lysine for 3 weeks so far (I read 3-4 weeks is recommended), but so far, the only improvement I have seen is less snot. The ACV sounds good, however, I was concerned about the difficulty in administering it. I use it myself at a much greater dilution & it is really nasty & best taken quickly in my experience. But it really does seem to stop colds & flu for me! I will try rubbing some in their fur–I was doing this with the lysine once my cats got wise to the oral dosing & would run from me–why they made it “maple” flavor is beyond me! I am VERY determined to help both cats get healthy! In the 2 months I’ve had Sunny, he has gotten super attached to me, & I am attached to him! And Moses is “everyone’s” favorite cat of mine & much loved!! I will use your link to place an order & keep you posted with my results! Thank you SO much for your help!! PS–there is a lot of conflicting info online! I read that giving vit c to cats can cause some kind of “crystals” in their urine. Thoughts? My son is a Shaklee distributor & told me a story about someone’s dog who ate an entire bottle of vitamin c, also supposedly not recommended for them, and the worse thing that happened is the dog got diarrhea! We owned a labrador retriever who had painful hip problems (but not hip displasia) and our local health food store recommended Ester C, which we tried. It worked wonders!!

    1. Jean,

      I’ve read the unscientifically proven stuff on L-lysine and this is my thought on it: L-lysine is one of those things that those of us that have used it and seen results, can vouch for. Cat’s don’t have the placebo effect, so obviously if they get better, the stuff works. Unfortunately, using L-lysine takes money out of vets’ and big pharma’s pockets, so they want to discount its effectiveness based on “not scientifically proven” jargon. You and I both know ACV works too, but you won’t see Bragg’s or any other non-mega company spending thousands or millions of dollars in testing to scientifically prove its effectiveness. So, back to your question, I have never heard or read about L-lysine being dangerous for cats. I don’t give it long-term anyway, so I’ve never been concerned about that, but I’ve read that is a good idea to give short breaks in all long-term stuff like that (supplements).

      As far as the vitamin C goes, again, I’ve never heard anything harmful about it other than it causing diarrhea if given too much. I also do not give it long term in a single form and for my senior dogs that I give it to regularly, I rotate the forms of vitamin C I give them as I feed raw and want to make sure I am covering my bases with all of their necessary nutrients.

      I think once you get whatever the issue is with Sunny and Moses under control, monitoring them to see if they need to be put on a maintenance regimen will be your next step. I read many people do give their FVR cats a maintenance dosage of Lactoferrin to keep their symptoms at bay, but you may not need to do that. Again, I think getting the immune system up via a good quality diet and even probiotics is vital, even if this is just a URI or something more serious.

      I look forward to hearing your updates on how Sunny and Moses are doing!

      1. CC–is there a limit to the amount of questions you can get for each post? I added some yesterday, refresh this page a number of times, and still they do not appear. I have a boatload of questions regarding Sunny & Moses. Reading as many of your other articles as possible, which brings up even more questions. I really need to write them down as I think of them so I don’t forget anything! Ordered the collial silver you recommended as well as a nebulizer from Amazon, but as a non-Prime member, won’t be getting them til the 7th-10th. Going to WalMart to pick up the other CS in the interim. So worried about my Moz!! He hopped in bed with me at 1am, snotting up a storm, as if to beg me for help! I got up to check on him & comfort him–he always is most quiet when he is in a reclining position. But, I know his nose is still running–he sleeps in one of those kitty cubbies, and his tail is now pretty crispy. Also, DO want to talk to you about steps to take to change ALL of my cats diets. I”ve have Moses & his sister for going on 13-years (rescued from the Mississippi flood zone in 2007), was working full-time at that time & have been feeding Fancy Feast, & after a LOT of experimentation since being disabled since 2014, have tried MANY things to no avail! They sure get stuck in their ways! I think that Sunny will be open to an all meat diet, though with antibiotics, hormones, samonella, dirty fish processing, I am not keen on raw–ideally, I would like to raise my own cat food critters, but am not in that position. We’ve tried freeze dried (Primal & Instinct), but I am now thinking in hindsight, I should have run the pieces through a blender or Magic Bullet–it didn’t absorb water well at all, so they basically were eating dust, which must not have been very appealing to them. I think the high cost of Primal forced it to be discontinued in our local pet food stores–can only find it on Amazon now. I gave both cats ACV (I diluted it 1/2 because 1/1 seems so strong a concentration, but 1/2 is not a whole lot better, IMO) yesterday & Lysine–Moz puked it up as I honestly expected, so am now trying the between the shoulders route & plan to pick up WalMart’s CS today.

        1. Jean,

          I don’t believe there is any limit to how many posts you can make and I’m sorry you had submitted ones that didn’t come through. I feel like this is probably useful information to others who may run across it, so I hate to take our conversation private, but if you continue to have issues with posting, we’ll go that route and I’ll copy and paste notes or whatever in case they are helpful.

          Awww, poor Moz! I hate to hear he’s having such an awful time and his experience with the ACV. Did you give them the ACV by mouth, or put it on their fur? I’m sorry to hear it made him sick, regardless. I’ve never experienced that when I’ve put it on their fur.

          Definitely get the CS and use a dropper to give it to him by mouth, but also add it to his food and water. It’s basically just distilled water with silver particles, so they shouldn’t notice anything about it that will make them avoid eating or drinking. I would probably even try a drop in each eye as our eyes and sinuses are connected and at this point, he seems like he can use all the help he can get. You can’t give too much, so don’t worry about that. If you haven’t read Bernadette’s comment, you might want to for tips on nebulizing a cat. I’ve never personally had to do it, so her information might be helpful.

          As Bernadette mentioned, there are a number of Facebook groups related to pets that you can join. I am in several for holistic healing, homeopathic, colloidal silver, etc. and have learned something from all of them. ‘Colloidal Silver for Pets’ is a good one for pets and help with administering it, like the nebulizer information Bernadette talked about. I’ve also picked up some other very valuable information there.

          A good diet is the foundation of good health, as I’m sure you know, since you’ve obviously tried to do that with your cats. Going raw on the worst day is better than the stuff sold by the giant corporations who are allowed to use sick and diseased animals, euthanized pets, supplements imported from china, etc., etc., etc. At least with raw, your pets are eating human-grade food. I buy my cats chicken thighs, pork loin, sardines and salmon packed in water. I cut the meat up into strips about the size of your thumb. The chewing on the meat helps keep their teeth clean.

          Many people feed raw and no two do it exactly alike, so what works for me and my six cats may not work for yours. Starting small, adding just a bit of raw to their Fancy Feast and increasing it slowly every couple to few days may help you eventually transition them to 100% raw. For more information on the frightening facts about pet food, you can visit Susan Thixton’s page http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com and for some tips for feeding raw, http://www.feline-nutrition.org. Kibble is the worst food possible for cats, as I’m sure you know, since it’s dried hard food, which cats are not designed to eat. It’s hard on the kidneys due to the lack of moisture cats are built to get from their food (birds, mice, etc.), full of carbs, which can cause obesity and diabetes, not to mention all the dyes and other stuff added to make it so addictive. It’s equivalent to our McDonald’s, unfortunately.

  12. THANK YOU again for your most recent input!! I am really excited to get going on the path to much better health for ALL of my cats besides just Sunny & Moz!! (it’s just me & the 6 cats here, plus 4–sometimes I’ve had MANY more!—ferals I feed) I have to make sure I am in good financial order today before I order anything–besides Sunny’s big vet bills, I had a larger than expected auto repair in December. But, these cats are my WORLD since my kids have been grown, so want to start VERY soon! Thank you so much for all of your help! (BIG BONUS for me since adding the ferals to my cat food shopping list–I’ve lost 50lbs of very stubborn post-menopausal weight due to all these mouths to feed! I wouldn’t have it any other way–CATS eat first, I always say!!)

    AND thank you very much for your article about colloidal silver!! With my lifelong experience with supplements–I am 63 years young–I was completely unfamiliar with this. Really excited to try it on my cats as well as myself! Sounds AMAZING!

    PS–I am also concerned about the use of 50/50 ACV–that seems awfully strong. That doesn’t cause stomach upset or any other issues? I’d really like to try it, though am concerned about the recommended dilution.

    1. Jean,

      I consolidated your three posts to make it easier for me to respond and others to follow in case any of this information is helpful to anyone else. 🙂

      You are very welcome for the help and I can completely understand the financial hardship of trying to stay afloat. It’s hard enough to get along when everything is going right, so when something breaks down or someone gets sick, things can get tough financially very quick! I was shocked this year when we had to take two of our senior dogs in for health issues and the cost of vet care! Yikes! Even a simple office visit is crazy expensive before they even do a blood test or anything else. That’s really awful news for those of us who rescue or try to help the homeless animals around them.

      Anyway, colloidal silver has been a game-changer in my household. Not only for the animals, but for me as well. For so many animals, I’ve started making my own, but you might look into the Silver Biotics brand at your local Walmart to get a feel for what it can do. And no, you don’t need the animal version to treat your animals. That’s a marketing gimmick to get more money out of people with pets who don’t know that there’s no difference.

      And as far as the mix of ACV and water, you can play around with the mix if you want, but I always did 50/50 as I’d read at the time and it worked in just a few days. Since it’s not a long-term use thing, I don’t see it causing any issue. If you want, you can try just putting it between the shoulder blades, as that is supposed to work as well by absorption, but my cat was looking pretty sad and I wanted him better sooner rather than later, so I followed the instructions I’d read and had been corroborated by many others who had used that method and it worked quite well and quickly.

      As I’m sure you know, everyone and every animal responds differently to different treatments, so there’s really no one size that fits all, but I wanted to share what I’d read and tried that worked for us. My cat had no side effects of any kind and was good to go in just a few days on the L-lysine and ACV protocol. His issue was just a URI though and he’s never had an issue since. You may be dealing with something a bit more complicated than that, so you may need to adjust your treatment accordingly.

  13. Hi Jean and CC,
    Just love reading all the comments and knowing that we are all being educated with all the great information. Jean I just wanted to mention, and if my comments were covered previously, I do apologize.
    I have been using the Silver Biotics for almost 2 years now, and the stuff is incredible!! I give it to all 9 of my furr babies every day. (I also drink a 1/4 cup 3x a day. I gargle, hold for 30 seconds, swish and swallow.) I put it in their wet food and I also spray it on a cat I have recovering from a wound that is being stubborn. I just recently read an article that 10ppm is quite enough and works the best. The smaller the particles the better the CS can get into the smallest places. Santa gave me a generator and I am going to give it a shot this weekend. CC you have encouraged me to make my own. I will let you know. I saw on FB a person who nebulized their cat in a plastic tote. They made holes in the sides of the tote all the way around, toward the bottom enough for the cat to get air, and then drilled a hole big enough for the nebulizer tube and put the lid on and whalaa!! A cat incubator, nebulizer. I hold my cat on my lap and use a hand held nebulizer. Coughing is expected when everything starts to loosen up. I also use the CS in my cats eyes when they get gooey. (I am also nebulizing the CS for myself for my allergies.)
    CC not sure if you would want me to mention CS FB Pet sites that are a source of excellent information. Let me know. Good luck Jean. CC, thank you for being here for us. Almost 2 years ago I found you by God’s grace and you answered all my questions and helped me bring my injured Max back to life!! Thank you. xoxo Bernie

    1. Thank you Bernie! I do appreciate the additional input!! I purchased the Silver Biotics today & am in quite a bit of a quandary on how to administer it to my affected cats. I have one of those gravity type of water bowls & added 4 tablespoons so far–it sounds like this stuff is perfectly safe for my cats who are not sick. I plan to work on a better diet if my cats cooperate, but for now, I am most concerned about Moses as he is pretty picky & likes his Fancy Feast, much to my chagrin. I cannot seem to interest him in anything else. Plus, I generally feed canned food just once a day. Sunny will be easier as he eats pretty much everything. Can I also “paint their fur with CS to get them to lick it off as an option? Both are wise to my oral dosing now & run from me, especially Sunny–they really don’t care for the maple flavored lysine. One question I have for CC-what are your thoughts about canned fish, such as sardines, starkist tuna & pink salmon? They all have salt in them, though the starkist tuna I have is low sodium. I saw somewhere on this site a recommendation of sea salt for something or the other, & was wondering if this canned fish would be safe for them? Moses seems to eat fish type canned cat food the most. Thoughts? I am also wondering if CS would be a really good choice for me–I had guilliane barre syndrome 20 years ago, & cannot get a flu shot now as it can cause a reoccurrance. It”s pretty scary to think about no flu shots when you reach my age!

      1. Jean,

        If you don’t have a dropper or cats that no longer will let you put drops directly into their mouth, just add plenty of CS to their wet food. Just give them small amounts of food to make sure they drink all the liquid. I’d do that at least 3-4x a day in addition to the addition of the CS the water. The water fountain should stay cleaner with the CS added, as a bonus of adding it.

        While I try to avoid any supplements from China, Spring Valley brand at Walmart is a good brand and will not have the maple flavor your cats are not fond of. If you are having trouble getting the current L-lysine into them, I’d look at purchasing a small bottle of the Spring Valley L-lysine capsules and opening them up into your cats’ food.

        As far as the fish I feed my cats, I avoid feeding tuna due to the potential high mercury content. I only feed water-packed sardines and wild-caught salmon. I only feed it 1-2x a week though, because the sardines are not USA sourced and the salmon has recently gone up in price. Greater Value used to have a good reasonably-priced wild-caught salmon available, but we have had trouble finding it lately.

        The sea salt I mentioned was probably for the bone broth I make and add it to for extra minerals and nutrients for my dogs. The cats aren’t fans of bone broth though I wish they were, as it is very good for them. The addition of sea salt is from ‘The Water Cure’ that talks about all the ways sea salt water is helpful to us and animals if you are interested in reading more about it. Here’s the link: http://www.watercure.com

        CS for you is a great idea! It is anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, and anti-viral so it can knock out a wide range of things, including colds and flu. Honestly, I’d avoid flu shots or any other vaccines at all costs. I don’t get any and only give my pets the bare minimum when I take them in and that’s all they ever get. We are being sickened and killed with the overuse of pharmaceuticals in our society. Our health and that of our pets is being compromised by the onslaught of toxins and dangerous side effects all these drugs have.

        I lost a dog to pharmaceuticals and have since become very aware of how dishonest vets and pharmaceutical companies are about how safe they are. CS, on the other hand, has never killed anyone and trust me, if it was found harmful in any way, big pharma, who by now is probably missing out on millions of dollars in lost antibiotic revenue from the popularity of it, would have the FDA make it illegal. Instead, it continues to grow in popularity. Because it works with no dangerous side effects.

        I hope I caught everything you posted, as we were cross-posting it seems, but I tried to answer all your questions. Let me know if you have any others and I’ll do my best to help!

      2. worried sick about Moses. Unfortunately, I think I will be taking him to the vet tomorrow–he hasn’t eaten a thing today. I’ve been giving him this GNC High Calorie Booster (for fussy eaters), so hopefully he won’t die on me overnight. I feel responsible for saving Sunny & bringing this sickness into my house. But since Oliver had it as a feral kitten, all my cats were already exposed, correct? So I thought it was safe. Guess I should have asked more questions when I was at the vet with Sunny on his first visit. So frustrated–spent $500 on Sunny so far & feel no better off—just less snot. He’s still sneezing with snot, and trying to force out what I believe to be a phlegm wad in his throat–he goes into the “hairball stance & hack” but nothing comes out. Vet x-rayed him & said he did not have an alarming amount of hair inside. I put the CS on all of their wet food & they barely touched any (my 5 other cats, including Sunny who eats everything). I even took a big spoonful myself & it really has no taste. Maybe they will eat it overnight or in the morning. They are drinking the water–I put a new gallon in today, added 4T of Cs in the bowl–should I add more daily? I am wondering how else to get the CS into my sick cats. Just can’t stand to see Moses so miserable & snotting up a storm. Going to ask the vet about vitamin C shots, but don’t believe she’ll go along with it. Asking for a diagnosis for BOTH cats. She’ll likely give Moses an antibiotic, but like Sunny, it is likely to be fruitless. As mentioned earlier, Sunny was put on 3 courses of antibiotics & all it did is lessen the symptoms WHILE he was on it–no long term improvement at all. I will never forgive myself if something happens to Moz–he does not deserve this.

        1. Jean,

          It sounds like you need to get as much CS internally in Moses as possible. I know you said they are wise to your oral administration of things, but I’ve found if you hold them gently by the nape of the neck so that they slightly open their mouth, you can get the liquid in. My cats are very good at letting me do whatever I need to do, but I know not all cats are. You may need another set of hands to help hold the cat while you administer the CS. If that’s not an option, putting the cat in the corner of the couch so they can’t back away and then gently holding the nape of their neck, so their mouth comes open, may enable you to do this on your own.

          You can use a dropper or just a spoon to get it into their mouth. Since there is no taste, hopefully they won’t fight you too bad. I’d give at least 1 tsp. every couple of hours until you see some improvement and then you can go longer between dosing, like 3-4 hours. It may take a few doses before you start seeing some improvement, but you should. That’s when you can scale back, but continue giving it until just giving it 2-3x a day in food is sufficient to fight any remaining symptoms.

          I think based on what I understand of your situation, this protocol will help. CS really can perform miracles, so if you are able to get it in your babies, I think you’ll see improvement quickly. Good luck. Keep me posted.

    2. Bernadette,

      Thank you for your helpful comment! I’ve never had to nebulize a cat, so I appreciate you offering your input on that. It’s so hard having sick animals and limited funds or the ability to get the stuff you need quickly to make them better! I know not all Walmarts carry colloidal silver and I don’t have any personal experience with the Silver Biotics brand that some do carry, but I’m glad to hear you have used it with good results. I hope Jean is able to find it and get her sweet Moses started on it right away.

      I did share the CS for Pets group info with her so she can seek guidance there too if she likes. I always hate to overwhelm people with too much information (websites, articles, groups, etc.) too soon since I know how overwhelming reading tons of conflicting information can be. I also like to stress the importance of a good diet to help immune-related issues because some sites don’t and that’s a shame. I’ve read waaay too many sad stories of very sick pets whose lives would not have been put in their precarious situation if their diet had been better or warning signs had been caught earlier.

      Anyway, congratulations on the journey to making your own colloidal silver! You will save a bundle of money! I look forward to hearing how you get along. 🙂

      1. CC–didn’t see your last message to me until after posting my last one before this. I have only had 2 flu shots in my entire life–really didn’t think I needed them since I have been mostly healthy my whole life, except now with my nerve damage in my back. I just worry now at age 63 & the fact I have 2 grandchildren now under the age of 4, who are in daycare. Boosting my own immunity with CS is a wonderful, natural solution I will definitely do on a daily basis! Some of my cats ate some of the canned food last night with the CS in it–obviously I have no way of knowing if it was Moses, but I doubt it. He is drinking the water though. I even held up the food bowls for him with no luck–I don’t think he wants to lower his head at all cuz the snot comes running out like crazy. The vet who treated Oliver told me when a cat cannot smell, they will not eat. This is why I chose to try to rescue Oliver–he was an under 8 weeks old feral kitten I was feeding with his mom & siblings, developed on spot along side his nose which gradually grew, and stopped eating. The spot got huge, covering most of his face, one eye and halfway closed the other eye. Took me 2 days of crawling on my belly to catch him–he put up no fight at all–probably too weak. The vet didn’t tell me til our 2-week checkup that he didn’t think Oliver was going to make it through the night–besides his snotty face, he was very dehydrated & full of fleas, mites & worms! So much stress on his little body, yet he rallied on! He was honestly one of those cats that I didn’t know what to do with–even looked on Pet Finder to see if I could find him a home–but now I don’t know what I would do without! He is my heart & soul! I feel so helpless about Moses–I know the vet has something that encourages them to eat, if for one day. I am not happy at all about the vet choice but so worried!! I am nearly tapped out after the car repairs & Sunny’s vet bills, but cannot let my Moz die! He hasn’t been himself at all. The vet is only open today from 8-11, but am going to again try to get some food into him first. I have some Applaws in the packet which has no additives or grain–hope I can get him to eat some. I have NOT been comfortable for a long time with Fancy Feast–noticed with the canned stuff in pieces that when it sits out & start to dry out, it looks more like dried WOOD than meat!!!! The issue with Moses is he’s VERY snotty–tilts his head back and forcefully blows it out of his nose, ending up getting all over his face, then some is inhaled or licked off. I try to gently tissue it off, but he doesn’t care for that, but I still persist. Just want this guy to eat!! He spends nearly the entire day in his cubby, getting up only for a drink or a trip to the litter box, so uncharacteristic of him! He adores my son who was here last night for an hour & Moz didn’t even get up to socialize, which he nearly always does! I will pick up some of the lysine at WalMart today, too,–though, like you, I am not at all comfortable about Chinese products. I will also skip the tuna & look for wild caught salmon–I do have sardines in water & will try to turn them into a pate in my Magic Bullet (I am guessing maybe my cats don’t like the consistency of real meat, so will give this a try) I have more stuff in my cart at Amazon (including your lysine recommendation) which I will order today. I know you do raw for your pets, but what commercial canned stuff do you advise, if you have any you’d recommend? Also, noted in one article, you recommend human use of CS be held in the mouth for 30 seconds (I think) & administering to cats, not directly into the throat–just curious as to why? CS is new to me & I have much to learn about it–I have got to say that one tablespoon I took last night to try helped with an oncoming cold & I slept very well! Sunny is doing better as long as I get lysine in him, but now he is getting nearly impossible to catch! He hates it!

        1. Did get a small amount of food in Moses–maybe a tablespoon. It really turns him off it when he lowers his head & has to snort snot. Plus, he is very much a creature of habit & only seems confused if I raise the plate up to him. The Lysine so far seems to have had little effect on him. I found a gel type by Vet Worthy that is chicken flavored and just put some on his legs to lick off–don’t want to stress him out too much anymore. He is getting a drink now. So worried my baby will get/have pneumonia!

          1. One quick question–I checked the Vitamin Shop website since there is a store less than 1/2 mile from me to see if they had the Lysine you recommended on Amazon so that I could get it today. They did not, but have a liquid 2oz bottle called Quantum Super Lysine Plus Liquid Extract with Vitamin C & Echinacea – Supports Immune System (2 Fluid Ounces). Ingredients are listed as : Vitamin C – (Ascorbic Acid)
            23 Mg
            38%
            PROPRIETARY BLEND – L-LYSINE HYDROCHLORIDE LE, ECHINACEA PURPUREA LE, SHITTAKE MUSHROOM LE, PROPOLIS LE, GUM BENZOIN LE, LICORICE ROOT LE, GOLDENSEAL ROOT LE
            300 Mg
            N/A*
            Other Ingredients:
            Alcohol (40%), Distilled Water –the alcohol content bothers me, but don’t know if it is necessarily bad for cats. Think I should try that? Moses DID drink quite a bit of water just now. I added another 4 tablespoons of CS. I am going to try to give him some orally in a couple hours> I am going through this 16 oz bottle FAST & will soon need another!! Maybe I WON’T have to make that trip to the vet today!! Fingers crossed!

          2. Decided against the vet today–don’t want my 13-year old cat pumped with antibiotics for “temporary relief at best” if I can kick this thing myself. Will continue with the High Calorie Booster since he is not eating as much as I’d like. He was out of his cubby for a while and in my biggest cat tree, so that is encouraging. Tried the eyedropper with the CS–I bought a bunch of disposable eye droppers on Amazon some time ago–the tip is very small & Moz resisted & it ended up on my bathrobe. Going to try the spoon next. I currently have 10 tablespoons of CS in the water dish–he does drink quite a bit. He is getting a lot of extra love & TLC, but I am sure missing my “singing cat”–he is normally very talkative! Going to work very hard to get him back. Sunny seems to like the Vet Worthy Lysine–didn’t beat me up today & then run off like his tail on fire & hide under my bed all day! Hope it works well! He seems in better shape overall than Moz–out & about, social & affectionate, eating, etc, but still has issues. If I get that much improvement in Moses in a few days, I will feel so much better! We need to talk food once the worse is over with this URI–still giving the ACV between the shoulders on both cats twice a day, too.

          3. Jean,

            Be careful about just giving random human products to cats, as they metabolize things differently than we do. I’d skip the mix of liquid drops and either go with Lactoferrin or Colostrum along with the CS. Your vitamin shop should have one of those. Both are found in milk that is fed to baby cows and are good for the immune system. Make sure the Lactoferrin is bovine (cow).

            Keep up the CS and if nothing else, put a bowl of 100% colloidal silver out for your cats, so that is all they are getting. It won’t hurt them. Moz may be drinking a lot of water because he knows it has stuff in it that will help him and/or all the secretions are making him thirsty.

            Most importantly, stay calm. Animals can sense our emotions and that can make it harder to give them medicine. I will be out for a few hours, but will be back later this afternoon in case you have any more questions. Hang in there. 🙂

          4. Thanks CC–that’s why I asked about the Lysine drops. Wanted to know if they’d be safe because the last thing I want right now is to make Moses sicker. I will go for the Spring Valley Lysine until the cat Lysine comes from Amazon. Unfortunately, it appears that this Vet Worthy Lysine is NOT as effective as the Vetoquinol maple stuff. Darn it! Sunny’s breathing is much noisier today. Hopefully, I can get the Spring Valley stuff in them. I know I get too emotional where my cats are concerned–they are my babies! I will try to keep calm–want to do whatever is necessary to get them on the road to health again! Thanks as always for your excellent advice!

          5. Jean,

            Make sure you are giving Moses and Sunny plenty of CS on a regular basis. 1-2x a day isn’t going to be enough given their condition. They need it AT LEAST every few hours, ideally every two-three hours until symptoms improve, even if that means staying up all night with them.

            If your cats have a favorite treat food, like sardines/salmon/or tuna, you can give them just a bit of that with plenty of CS (at least a teaspoon) added every couple of hours or so, per cat. All of those foods are very smelly, so maybe even given their sneezing and such, they can still smell it enough to be interested in eating it. The unflavored L-lysine should also be easier to give them. I’d also put that in the sardine/salmon/or tuna mush.

  14. Hi CC–my nebulizer will be arriving by mail tomorrow. Can you give me any specific instructions on how to use it with the CS? Also, Sunny seems to respond well on the maple Lysine, while Moses does not. I compared the ingredients of it with the better flavored & much easier to administer Vet Worthy brand & Viralys single day dosage has 500 mg of L-lysine Hydrochloride, while the Vet Worthy one has 500mg of L-lysine MONOhdrochloride, which could explain why it doesn’t seem to work as well, but I am not sure of the differences. Sorry for all the questions–while spending most of my life with cats, this is honestly my first experience with sick ones, for which I am extremely lucky & grateful. I am betting so many of today’s illnesses are the result of the food we feed them. I remember growing up in the 60’s, we fed our cats the most awful smelling ground food–Puss N Boots is one brand that comes to mind. Though I was a child, I do not recall ANY trips to the vet for our pets (both cats & dogs) like we see today–in fact, we did not own any kind of a carrier for transporting cats & they were outside all the time! But, as many food companies can give a hoot if they are making US sick, why would they even give it a minute’s thought on what they put into our pet’s food?? All about the MONEY, IMO. So heartbreaking!

    1. Also working on ways to get the CS directly in the cat’s mouths–so far, I am having pretty good success with a spoon, but both cats are pretty resistant to having anything administered orally after all the Lysine problems! Do you have any recommendations on a specific probiotic for Sunny? With all of the antibiotics he was on, I really want to do my best to remedy that, also. Didn’t see any on your “SHOP’ link. And how often do you recommend “breaks” from Lysine dosing? Sunny misses just one, and his breathing gets noisy again, but we’re still working on the CS dosing, so want to get MUCH more into him before I will stop a Lysine dose to see what happens. Got it in their food & water–now just need much more in their mouths! Also ordered the Lactorferrin you recommended and it should be here this week–could not find a substitute at our local Vitamin Shoppe.

      1. Nebulizer came today & really want to get started, though I am new to this, too. The instructions leave a lot to be desired but I am fumbling through. It came with a mouthpiece–is this to be used for cats or not? Is there a link here or elsewhere that can help me? I plan to prepare a quiet spot to do this & spray with some Feliway before starting. I have also decided since it is just me & my cats are not the most cooperative patients, I am going to focus on Moz first, since he is the sickest–being alone, age 63, with nerve damage makes tackling two at a time more challenging than I can handle & I get frustrated. My kids obviously cannot run over here every time I need help. Sunny will still get his daily Lysine & ACV and then hide all day, but will keep adding lots of CS to the food & water. He is otherwise frisky, playful, eating & drinking, which Moz is not doing enough at all, but he is finally out of his cubby and now sleeping in a cat bed, snot & all. I am using a plastic tablespoon to try to get the CS in Moz every 2 hours.

        1. Jean,

          I’ve never personally had to nebulize a cat, but I’ve read to put them in a box or plastic tote with a hole cut out for the tube and some small holes in the bottom or if that’s not feasible, a cat carrier covered with towels and let the nebulizer run while they are in there. As Bernadette said in her post the other day, she just puts her cat on her lap. I would think most cats would appreciate that more than being put in a box or carrier, but the point is to try to get them to breathe the CS to get it into their lungs. You may have to experiment to see what way works best for your cats.

          I am only going by what I read, but someone in the CS for Pets Facebook group recommended filling the nebulizer cap 3/4 way full and said doing that twice a day for her cat really helped. I’m not sure if it was as bad as yours sound or not, but at least this will give you a starting point.

          I’d have to do some googling on the difference in the two lysine’s you mentioned, but unfortunately, I have some outside stuff today that I have to do while the weather is good here, so I don’t have time right now, but I’m sure you could probably do a google search and see yourself. I’ll be in and out most of the daylight hours of today, so I’ll be unavailable, but it sounds like you are set with all the things for your cats. I’ve added the probiotic I used recently after my dog was on a short stint of antibiotics and comes highly recommended by people in the pet groups I’m in. It is for both cats and dogs.

          We can talk food change later, as I know you are spending a lot on all of this medication and quality food is not cheap, but it will hopefully help you from having to go through such a serious illness again in the future. Before I started feeding raw, I fed my cats Nature’s Logic. You can buy the dog food version in the larger can at a better price than the small cat food cans and it is (or was at the time, this would need to be confirmed) the same formula. I fed my cats the Chicken and Rabbit formulas and then had a day of salmon and/or sardines thrown in to keep the proteins rotated so they don’t develop food allergies from eating the same exact protein for years and years, as so many people do. Nature’s Logic puts no chicken at all in their rabbit formula, so it completely takes that out of the equation when you are feeding it, which is good. That’s why I liked it, along with quality ingredients, but when I took in my 6th cat who was young, large, and very hungry, I could no longer afford to feed that food. That’s when I switched to raw and haven’t looked back. You are paying for the convenience for quality canned or dehydrated or freeze-dried food. With 10 cats and dogs total, I cannot afford that.

          Not having fed any canned food in so long, I’m not even sure what is available in what would be considered the least bad of the bad options, but when I get a minute I’ll try to do some research to help you find something. All of it is cooked at high temperatures, which kills the nutritional value, which is then replaced with supplements from who knows where, so even the top quality canned food isn’t ideal, but we have to do the best we can do with the resources we have. I’ll try my best to get you some good options, when I have a bit of time.

          1. Thanks CC–I did find some You Tube videos on nebulizing. I bought a portable one so doing the box, carrier thing wouldn’t work. Moses is a VERY difficult patient!! He actually bit me yesterday which is something he never did previously (he’s an orange tabby which are known for being so mellow, which he normally is)–didn’t break the skin though. I don’t know if you’ve seen those canvas carrier bag where just their head is exposed, but I resorted to using it to try to get some pulverized sardines with CS in him–nope. I nebulized him in it also, and he did seem to kind of enjoy that (maybe we can try again in my lap tonight with NO bag to hold him) and actually got a whole tablespoon of CS into him!!! I fill the tablespoon cuz some gets spilled when he fights back. My biggest concern right now is he is not eating or drinking. Going to pulverize some of the canned salmon for him with CS–Salmon does seem to be his favorite food. I am so worried about this boy!! Looking ahead, Sunny will be easier–he eats everything!

          2. Hi CC–just an update. I am convinced that Moses hates me–he is really getting upset when I pick him up now. He is pretty sick of me putting stuff in his mouth & biting even more, but still has not broken the skin, Sadly, we did end up in an animal ER last night–Moses STILL has not been eating or drinking, & lost a pound since I weighed him on Saturday! He was very dehydrated–what prompted me to bring him up is that he is very sucked in in his hindquarter area & was very wobbly on his feet. Vomiting up the Lysine & just spitting out the High Calorie Booster since it is a pretty thick paste (I used that to hopefully sustain him since he has not eaten since that teaspoon/tablespoon I wrote about Friday or Saturday?) This is taking a toll on me–I am so worried about HIM, I am neglecting myself. We did not get out of the ER til 1:20am & I STILL woke up at my usual 5am anyway. I came home with antibiotics but haven’t used them–seems pointless since he just vomits anything given orally. He was also given a fluids treatment for his dehydration. The CS is increasingly seeming to be a no-go for the time being–even my healthy cats seem confused with the difference in their water and I have no idea WHY? I sure can’t taste or smell it!–haven’t added anymore since the initial 10T, but added another gallon of water. They do eat it in their food, but only after it is absorbed. So I do still want to incorporate it into their diets regularly. Moses is still extremely difficult to get it into & very strongly resisting my attempts. I bought a vaporizer for him, since my other 3 seemed to have died–going to try putting him in the very small bedroom with it for awhile & also get him into the bathroom during showers, along with nebulizing with the CS. I have been lying on the floor with him loving him when he is on the electric warming blanket I have for my cats–that is about the only time he seems to appreciate me now. I have been reading up on boosting ALL of my cats immunity & a raw diets is always listed first. Is it impossible to get them to change? Moses food of choice is dry Fancy Feast & I know now it is awful for his health!! Taking the unopened bag I have back to the store & looking to get a good, healthy substitute until we can try the raw diet again. ( I AM interested in the Nature’s Logic, seemingly available only from Chewy, but have to investigate if the dog formulas are nutritionally complete for cats, too. )Even cooking fresh, organic meats is a choice if they refuse the raw, (I am now thoroughly convinced the pet food industry & veterinarians are in cahoots to keep our pets sick!!!) My cats are 2-at age 12.75 years, 1 at 9 years, 2 at 6 years & Sunny is believed to be about 4 years (I know he’d go along with the raw diet–before I took him in, he “gifted” me with the back half of a chipmunk he killed & then proceeded to eat everything but the feet. Yuck!) I am also ridding this place of commercial cleaners & going with vinegar and Basic H, which is a Shaklee product my son sells–so safe you can actually drink it!! I have been actively cleaning up Moses nose with saline & gauze before adding the two drops in each nostril. One friend suggested getting his oral passages cleared out by doing a neti pot type of treatment, using saline & a child’s bulb asprirator, though I cannot find any indications of this being done/advised online with detailed instructions, so am not comfortable with that, unless told otherwise. I should be getting the Lactoferrin (along with the Lysine you recommended) from Amazon this week–is this product promising at least somewhat close to CS to act on this condition? I don’t want to give up on the CS at all, but Moses condition had worsened to the point where I felt I needed outside help from a vet. The antibiotic they gave me is both liquid & another bottle of it in the dry form to add water when needed. Smells like bananas & called Clavamox. Should I use any at all? They also gave him an antivomiting med, so at least I am getting lysine in him again. Even though I am going to retry the raw diet & hope for the best, I;m not going to try until I get Moz to eat. Don’t want to stress him out–would appreciate any advice, or if you have a page here devoted to the subject. Sunny continues to do well with just the lysine, but still has snotty/sneezy periods in between sometimes–otherwise he is in great spirits, playful, eating & drinking. Praying for the day I get my Moz back–hopefully, very soon. Do you have any pet vitamin recommendations that I can give Moses & Sunny until I can get on track to creating my own concoctions? Obviously, I cannot focus on anything else at the moment but getting Moses to EAT!! This is on my mind 24/7!! Going to try to heat some food tonight to see if I can entice him that way. TIA for any advise you have. -Jean

          3. Jean,

            I’m SO sorry to hear Moses isn’t getting better! I think you probably made the right decision to take him to the vet. I sent you an e-mail on Sunday and another one earlier today checking in. Please check and let me know if you got them, as I hate to keep this very long conversation going on here. Thanks! CC

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